Reading: Externalizing workshop handout (White, 1991)

Length: 25 minutes

In this 1991 workshop handout Michael White outlines externalizing conversations as counter-practices that challenge internal state psychology, negative identity conclusions, expert knowledge, and totalizing descriptions of personhood.

Audio: Introducing externalizing conversations lecture (White, 1992) – Sample

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Length: 9 minutes

Michael White landed on a rather cheeky idea that the person was not the problem . . . the problem was the problem. Simple right? Hmmmm - not so fast. Two decades before his brief foray into maps, Michael's workshops focused almost entirely on the politics and practice behind locating problems and persons within cultural, contextual and relational contexts.

Video: Histories of narrative therapy keynote (Madigan, 2014)

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Length: 15 minutes

Stephen Madigan explores Michael White's ideological connection to second order cybernetics and the work of Gregory Bateson and - how it was that Michael and David Epston decided to turn away from 150 years of psychological theory, vocabulary and practice